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Date: 2005-12-02
From: Mike Weaver
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] US Guvmint to tax alternate fuel vehicles?

poor/ middle class - then you don't really count.  Do you have a lobbyist?
=
 How many congresspeople do you control?
Besides, we're getting off-point.  The issue isn't really that the whole wo=
rld is against us, we're feeding lives, tax dollars and borrowed money into=
 Iraq at an unsustainable rate, our health care system only works for the w=
ealthy, we're hooked on foreign oil and have a recored trade imbalance and =
deficit.  No, the real issue is, uh, GAY MARRIAGE!  If you don't vote for m=
e, GAY PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GO AND GET MARRIED!  And if that's out of steam,=
 uh, the liberals want to ban prayer in school!


Just like Lucy, Charlie Brown and the ol' football trick, it works =

everytime.

radema wrote:

>Nike,
>Opinion is a matter of perspective.  That is why we have lobbyists.  Your,=
 =91tongue in cheek comments=92, on Government efficiency are certainly acc=
urate, from the perspective of the beneficiaries (wealthy).  Mine are writt=
en from the perspective of the overtaxed (poor/ middle class).  My comments=
 were originally made after thread participants were suggesting more tax as=
 a viable solution.   =

>
>When lawmakers hear this (even once), they seize and spin to build more in=
coming revenue.  The first inefficiency we need to tackle is us.  We need t=
o recognize that it is no longer all right to raise taxes.  =

>
>
>
>---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
>From: Mike Weaver 
>Reply-To: Biofuel.org
>Date:  Sun, 27 Nov 2005 18:12:45 -0500
>
>  =

>
>>You're using the wrong metrics.  The US government works perfectly =

>>well.  It transfers money from the poor to the wealthy, and quite well I =

>>might add, so I don't buy your not efficient argument.  Just look at the =

>>recent energy bill.  Look at the Halliburton contracts.  This is a very =

>>efficient, well-run system.  What did you think the government is =

>>supposed to do?
>>
>>radema wrote:
>>
>>    =

>>
>>>Great discussion threads.  I find myself drawn in without restraint.
>>>
>>>IMO, the largest problem facing us via government isn't reactive governi=
ng, its waste (politically attractive) and vote buying (democracy).  =

>>>
>>>While the case can be made for higher Government revenue requiremnts, it=
 is predicated on the assumption that Government works efficiently.  This i=
s folly in the extreme sense.  We are witness to personal agendas from the =
top down to the smallest fiefdom. =

>>>
>>>A thick self-serving union layer checks, double checks or escalates ever=
y daily activity for dual custody deniability.  A narrowly defined job scop=
e is rigorously designed to allow the use of unskilled labor and systemical=
ly CYA when a resource is confronted by a new or evolutionary 'issue' (prev=
iously undefined).  In other words the system loses issues where resources =
are not protected.
>>>
>>>Output is politically attractive in the form of plausible deniability. A=
ction plans are equated to procedure and the optic of action.  This results=
 in "productivity" that is not objective driven.  =

>>>
>>>Rad
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
>>>From: dwoodard.org
>>>Reply-To: Biofuel.org
>>>Date:  Sun, 27 Nov 2005 10:53:33 -0500 (EST)
>>>
>>> =

>>>
>>>      =

>>>
>>>>There are major costs besides road maintenance and building, such as
>>>>health costs of pollution medical (National Health Service) and other
>>>>costs related to accidents, costs of policing. Back in the late 80's
>>>>Pollution Probe in Toronto published a study "The Costs of the Car"
>>>>which estimted that charging all costs to fuel would result in a total
>>>>gasoline price of $5 to$6 CDN per Imperial gallon. the price would be
>>>>almost double now. Also, the more roads the less land there is for
>>>>other uses and the lower the tax base to pay for ever increasing roads
>>>>and infrastructure. The ultimate solution is charges for road
>>>>use; difficult but becoming easier with the advance of computers and
>>>>electronics.
>>>>
>>>>Doug Woodard
>>>>St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On Sun, 27 Nov 2005, Chris lloyd wrote:
>>>>
>>>>   =

>>>>
>>>>        =

>>>>
>>>>>>If you are talking about hybrids that use electricity the government
>>>>>>       =

>>>>>>
>>>>>>            =

>>>>>>
>>>>>gets the fuel side tax but would have a rough time implementing a zap
>>>>>tax for charging the vehicle but its not out of the question they may =
try.>>>>
>>>>>Here in the UK we buy a licence to use our vehicles on public roads, I=
 pay
>>>>>about 280 dollars a year which is far more than is required for road
>>>>>maintenance/building.   Chris.
>>>>>
>>>>>Wessex Ferret Club
>>>>>www.wessexferretclub.co.uk
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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