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Date: 2005-12-02
From: Joe Street
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] US Guvmint to tax alternate fuel vehicles?
From: Joe Street
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] US Guvmint to tax alternate fuel vehicles?
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1416203161== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------060109080104060607030104" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060109080104060607030104 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm just wondering what people on this list think they will do if the winds of change blow cold on the home brew community? Suppose at some point your government decides to take strong action to discourage or prevent you from making your own fuel. I know that collectively there are a lot of us but we are spread pretty thin here and there around the planet. Solidarity amongst home brewers I'm sure doesn't account for a huge influence in any particular country or region at this point. I'm sure any of us who have invested the time, money and effort to be doing what we are doing will be more than just disappointed if legislation is enacted in favor of big energy suppliers to the detriment of our sustainability and environmental ideals. But what can we do though? I feel I am very fortunate because in my case, since I work at a university which supports my research into alternative energy solutions, I can claim I am driving a research vehicle which affords me quite a bit of latitude as far as this issue is concerned. I am just wondering if a possible solution to this potential problem might be for people like myself to create some sort of registry so that I can claim not only that I drive a research vehicle but that it is part of a worldwide fleet of such vehicles thereby strengthening not only my case but also that of everyone else registered on the site as well. Comments? Joe David Miller wrote: >Joe Street wrote: > > > >>Oh I thought from the previous post it meant that taxed fuel is dyed. >>So then on a spot inspection how is anyone to know if you are using >>taxed fuel or home brew anyways? (assuming it is not B100 which could >>be identified by smell alone) Why worry about it then? >> >> > > >I doubt if many (bio)diesel car owners worry about it at all. Diesel >car owners are such small pickins next to a company running a fleet of >trucks that I've never seen or even heard of someone being tested. I >know a number of them who regularly use heating oil or K1 (with the dye) >in their cars without concern. I don't do it because to it's not worth >saving thirty cents a gallon if it means having to drain it out of the >tank in 5 gallon buckets and pour it into the car. It's nice to know I >have the reserve though. > >Biodiesel is attractive for other reasons; I wouldn't save enough money >in a long time to make it worthwhile financially. > >--- David > > > >>Joe >> >>David Miller wrote: >> >> >> >>>Joe Street wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Why not just add some of the dye yourself ......doh! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Because here in the states they put the dye in the untaxed fuel (HHO, >>>K1), not in the stuff that's taxed. So adding dye would be a way of >>>saying that you didn't pay taxes on fuel that you actually had. >>> >>> >>>--- David >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Biofuel mailing list >>>Biofuel.org >>>http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org >>> >>>Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >>>http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >>> >>>Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): >>>http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel.org/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Biofuel mailing list >>Biofuel.org >>http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org >> >>Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >>http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >> >>Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): >>http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel.org/ >> >> >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >Biofuel mailing list >Biofuel.org >http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > >Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): >http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel.org/ > > > > --------------060109080104060607030104 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm just wondering what people on this list think they will do if the winds of change blow cold on the home brew community? Suppose at some point your government decides to take strong action to discourage or prevent you from making your own fuel. I know that collectively there are a lot of us but we are spread pretty thin here and there around the planet. Solidarity amongst home brewers I'm sure doesn't account for a huge influence in any particular country or region at this point. I'm sure any of us who have invested the time, money and effort to be doing what we are doing will be more than just disappointed if legislation is enacted in favor of big energy suppliers to the detriment of our sustainability and environmental ideals. But what can we do though? I feel I am very fortunate because in my case, since I work at a university which supports my research into alternative energy solutions, I can claim I am driving a research vehicle which affords me quite a bit of latitude as far as this issue is concerned. I am just wondering if a possible solution to this potential problem might be for people like myself to create some sort of registry so that I can claim not only that I drive a research vehicle but that it is part of a worldwide fleet of such vehicles thereby strengthening not only my case but also that of everyone else registered on the site as well.
Comments?
Joe
David Miller wrote:Joe Street wrote:Oh I thought from the previous post it meant that taxed fuel is dyed. So then on a spot inspection how is anyone to know if you are using taxed fuel or home brew anyways? (assuming it is not B100 which could be identified by smell alone) Why worry about it then?I doubt if many (bio)diesel car owners worry about it at all. Diesel car owners are such small pickins next to a company running a fleet of trucks that I've never seen or even heard of someone being tested. I know a number of them who regularly use heating oil or K1 (with the dye) in their cars without concern. I don't do it because to it's not worth saving thirty cents a gallon if it means having to drain it out of the tank in 5 gallon buckets and pour it into the car. It's nice to know I have the reserve though. Biodiesel is attractive for other reasons; I wouldn't save enough money in a long time to make it worthwhile financially. --- DavidJoe David Miller wrote:Joe Street wrote:Why not just add some of the dye yourself ......doh!Because here in the states they put the dye in the untaxed fuel (HHO, K1), not in the stuff that's taxed. So adding dye would be a way of saying that you didn't pay taxes on fuel that you actually had. --- David _______________________________________________ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel.org/------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel.org/_______________________________________________ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel.org/--------------060109080104060607030104-- --===============1416203161== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel.org/ --===============1416203161==--
