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Greetings,
I am trying to understand why you feel the need to have people pay to be a 
member of an advocacy group.  I am a member of several and the membership 
is asked to pay for the postcards we bombard Washington with.  Something as 
simple as a yahoo group that only the management can post messages on, will 
work.  Any time there is a problem, the membership gets out the postage and 
starts to mail the appropriate postcard to the proper people.  What is the 
money for?
Bright Blessings,
Kim

At 12:15 PM 12/2/2005, you wrote:
>All kidding aside, do the members of this list think the idea of an
>advocacy group to defend BD has merit, and more importantly
>would anyone pay to be a member?
>
>-Mike
>
>Doug Turner wrote:
>
> >Hi Mike,
> >
> >    Just waiting for the movie, "Attack of the Grease People."  It's bound
> >to be a cult classic.
> >
> >    Doug
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Mike Weaver" 
> >To: 
> >Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 10:48 AM
> >Subject: Re: [Biofuel] US Guvmint to tax alternate fuel vehicles?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>Nah,
> >>
> >>when it comes it'll be from two directions:
> >>
> >>The trap grease people will get together as soon as they really start
> >>feeling the bite from home-brewers, and get legislation passed that
> >>declares WVO dangerous and in need of special handling.  This will
> >>require fairly expensive equipment and insurance the average home-brewer
> >>can't afford.  There will be a few high profile lawsuits and we'll get
> >>the message and give up.  This will probably be aided and abetted by Big
> >>Oil, who will get in bed with or just buy out the grease people.
> >>
> >>Oh, they'll find someone somewhere who has injured himself making BD and
> >>trumpet it all over the place.
> >>
> >>The logical thing to do would be for the homebrewers to organize now and
> >>set up an organization to counter this.  Everyone will be in favor of
> >>it, but no one will be willing to part with 50.00 for dues.  United we
> >>could stand, divided we'll fall.
> >>
> >>"When Biodiesel is outlawed, only outlaws will make Biodiesel"
> >>
> >>Mike "been living in Washington DC for too long" Weaver
> >>
> >>Joe Street wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>I'm just wondering what people on this list think they will do if the
> >>>winds of change blow cold on the home brew community?  Suppose at some
> >>>point your government decides to take strong action to discourage or
> >>>prevent you from making your own fuel.  I know that collectively there
> >>>are a lot of us but we are spread pretty thin here and there around
> >>>the planet. Solidarity amongst home brewers I'm sure doesn't account
> >>>for a huge influence in any particular country or region at this
> >>>point.  I'm sure any of us who have invested the time, money and
> >>>effort to be doing what we are doing will be more than just
> >>>disappointed if legislation is enacted in favor of big energy
> >>>suppliers to the detriment of our sustainability and environmental
> >>>ideals. But what can we do though?  I feel I am very fortunate because
> >>>in my case, since I work at a university which supports my research
> >>>into alternative energy solutions, I can claim I am driving a research
> >>>vehicle which affords me quite a bit of latitude as far as this issue
> >>>is concerned.  I am just wondering if a possible solution to this
> >>>potential problem might be for people like myself to create some sort
> >>>of registry so that I can claim not only that I drive a research
> >>>vehicle but that it is part of a worldwide fleet of such vehicles
> >>>thereby strengthening not only my case but also that of everyone else
> >>>registered on the site as well.
> >>>Comments?
> >>>
> >>>Joe
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>David Miller wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Joe Street wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>Oh I thought from the previous post it meant that taxed fuel is dyed.
> >>>>>So then on a spot inspection how is anyone to know if you are using
> >>>>>taxed fuel or home brew anyways?  (assuming it is not B100 which could
> >>>>>be identified by smell alone) Why worry about it then?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>I doubt if many (bio)diesel car owners worry about it at all.  Diesel
> >>>>car owners are such small pickins next to a company running a fleet of
> >>>>trucks that I've never seen or even heard of someone being tested.  I
> >>>>know a number of them who regularly use heating oil or K1 (with the dye)
> >>>>in their cars without concern.   I don't do it because to it's not worth
> >>>>saving thirty cents a gallon if it means having to drain it out of the
> >>>>tank in 5 gallon buckets and pour it into the car.  It's nice to know I
> >>>>have the reserve though.
> >>>>
> >>>>Biodiesel is attractive for other reasons; I wouldn't save enough money
> >>>>in a long time to make it worthwhile financially.
> >>>>
> >>>>--- David
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>Joe
> >>>>>
> >>>>>David Miller wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>Joe Street wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Why not just add some of the dye yourself ......doh!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>Because here in the states they put the dye in the untaxed fuel (HHO,
> >>>>>>K1), not in the stuff that's taxed.  So adding dye would be a way of
> >>>>>>saying that you didn't pay taxes on fuel that you actually had.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>--- David
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